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		<title>the future (or threat) of crowdsourcing</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lukus</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Threat of Crowdsourcing
So much of the hype that I read regarding crowdsourcing seems disingenuous.
The majority of the proponents are either those who take a fee from the initial prize fund (crowdSpring/99designs et al), or those who use crowdsourcing as a tool (CP&#38;B, and other clients).
I’d imagine the most fierce supporters of crowdsourcing (as participants) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>The Threat of Crowdsourcing</h3>
<p>So much of the hype that I read regarding crowdsourcing seems disingenuous.</p>
<p>The majority of the proponents are either those who take a fee from the initial prize fund (crowdSpring/99designs et al), or those who use crowdsourcing as a tool (CP&amp;B, and other clients).</p>
<p>I’d imagine the most fierce supporters of crowdsourcing (as participants) are the very same people who would traditionally participate in the <em>outsourcing</em> of work. For this group, the $1000 offered by <a href="http://www.cpbgroup.com/" target="_blank">design firm CP&amp;B</a> to create a logo for motorcycle brand Brammo, may have been fair compensation – even if obtaining the fee involves entering into a lottery.</p>
<p>After reading about CP&amp;B&#8217;s decision to use <a href="http://www.crowdspring.com/" target="_blank">crowdSpring</a>, my anger piqued my curiosity and I entered into one of these design ‘competitions’ myself.</p>
<p>After participating, I decided to exchange some emails with the contest organiser, and I discovered that he was a subcontractor who takes on web-jobs and uses the crowdsourcing agency to produce PSD images of each potential website which can then be given to other outsourcers who create an HTML website. He likes the crowdsourcing model because he has a number of different designs to choose from, and ultimately he doesn’t need to carry out the work himself.</p>
<p><em>Crowdsourcing creates a dynamic of factory owner v. factory workers.  There’s no equality between participants.</em></p>
<p>I honestly don’t think that those participating are going to gain a better understanding of the processes involved in design. The idea that the contest organiser even knows what constitutes a good design isn’t even a given. The only known fact is that the organiser has some money.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that it’s unfair to expect anyone with any skill to work for free. In my mind, this is about good old fashioned wrong and right. One group of people is benefiting at the expense of another group of people – and your comment that participants experience “psychic reward” is laughable and offensive.</p>
<p>I do believe that crowdsourcing has a future – but only when a fair remuneration model has been developed. I think that the Amazon Mechanical Turk provided a more fully formed conceptual model in this respect.</p>
<h3>The Future of Crowdsourcing</h3>
<p>I believe that crowdsourcing in it’s best format involves creating efficiency by horizontally dividing a task between hundreds and thousands of people. Ideally all the participants involved are employed (i.e. paid), and the amount of work they complete is at least as engaging as it would be if the task was approached conventionally.</p>
<p>The benefits of this idealised view, involve speed / efficiency in completing the task and the luxury of a plurality of viewpoints.</p>
<p>Baring this in mind, in my opinion, there are a limited variety of tasks that are suitable for a crowdsourcing approach. I don’t think design is very suitable for crowdsourcing because it’s very difficult to divide a design task among multiple participants.  I don’t think that design can possibly excel when it’s carried out by committee.</p>
<p>Long term, I’d actually question whether these CS companies will survive.  Currently I think they’re doing well because:</p>
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<li>We’re currently in an economic downturn – the number of people willing to participate and give crowdsourcing a go will surely have been buoyed by laid off workers.</li>
<li>The concept is novel. Many people are willing to give something new a chance… but after a short while they’ll most probably ask themselves whether continued participation is worthwhile.</li>
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<p>Even so, I don’t think the game’s totally over for companies like crowdSpring or <a href="http://99designs.com/" target="_blank">99designs</a>.</p>
<p>I think that these companies are providing two types of service.</p>
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<li>The first can be loosely defined defined as crowdsourcing. I say ‘loosely’, because they don’t divide the task of creating design – they multiply it.</li>
<li>The second type of service involves building relationships between designer and client; a task which is very similar to that of a traditional work agency.</li>
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<p>I think they should focus on providing the second type of service – this is where they could make the most positive difference.</p>
<p>If we look at the way they operate at the moment, (cynically) I’d state that the current crop of crowdsourcing applications are only really acting as ‘enablers’. They provide a place for client and participant to meet – and the functionality they provide is very basic. Currently it would probably be fair to suggest that crowdsourcing web-applications are still most similar in functionality to a traditional bulletin board system.  Ideas (graphic files) can be submitted, and messages can be submitted publicly and privately. There’s little in the way of innovation.</p>
<p>If speaking optimistically, I’d state that these crowdsourcing applications provide a platform for collaboration. This statement holds a lot of potential, but if these companies can possibly survive, they need to try to offer innovative collaborative technologies. The problems they try to solve are both interesting and challenging – but unless they accept the fact that their current approach is full of holes, they stand no chance of becoming a positive force for change.</p>
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		<title>news ways of selling design?</title>
		<link>http://ntsdt.net/2009/09/15/news-ways-of-selling-design/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lukus</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From reading a lot of recent blog-posts it sounds like many of the large firms providing media-content via traditional means, are pretty much s*&#38;!ting themselves.  The previous days of making a large return from running a shop creating, subcontracting and selling design seem to be over.  A new dawn broke and the old rules don&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From reading a lot of recent blog-posts it sounds like many of the large firms providing media-content via traditional means, are pretty much s*&amp;!ting themselves.  The previous days of making a large return from running a shop creating, subcontracting and selling design seem to be over.  A new dawn broke and the old rules don&#8217;t seem to apply so much anymore.</p>
<p>If the large firms are correct &#8211; and their days really are numbered &#8211; maybe in the future (within these industries) <em>everyone</em> will work independently of large organisations?</p>
<p><span id="more-274"></span>Currently in 2009, it seems that designers need to promote themselves to gain kudos in the industry. In a way, modern designers have become individual enterprises themselves &#8211; with their own individual brand, streams to interact with public (via a blog / twitter / vimeo etc).</p>
<p>Baring this in mind, I can imagine a time when all designers operate as &#8216;hired-guns&#8217; and are hired according to a jobs requirements.</p>
<p>If this kind of situation was to develop, informal work networks would be created on a per-project basis. You&#8217;d need to work with a team of people who you&#8217;d not necessarily ever meet in person and you&#8217;d all need to get up to speed quickly.</p>
<p>If this became true, there&#8217;d be a need for a new breed of webapps that can provide a decent way for people to collaborate on projects. (There&#8217;s basecamp &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s ideal).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the idea of crowdsourcing because it builds upon exploitation &#8211; but I think that crowdsourcing sites like 99designs and crowdSpring are a stepping stone .. they won&#8217;t last or replace the way that the majority of design jobs are carried out.</p>
<p>However, despite their faults, these crowdsourcing sites do at least attempt to tackle the problem of finding new ways to sell design services and interact with clients (without the involvement of large firms).</p>
<p>Maybe what we need are alternative models to crowdsourcing which tackle the same problem in a better way &#8211; but what could they be?</p>
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